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Monday, November 25, 2002 4:12 AM


To recognize the differences, to repair the inequalities, to promote the participation of all the cultures and nations (Spanish)
María Antonia MUÑOZ
November 18, 2002
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ººº I Prefer to talk about principles, as action mechanisms, more than of values, as substantial contents of the action. I believe that the principle that should prevail in a WP is to recognize the irreducible difference of the others, and through this to accept them as able to produce their own truth. If the governments of the first world wants democracy in the non democratic countries, on the other hand they maintain world non democratic institutions as the IMF and the World Bank, that blocks the self-managed development of our cultures. To go beyond of just the force of desires and utopias, a WP should give voice to those that don't have it, to look for mechanisms that include majorities don't participating, to have representatives of more different cultures and nations, to be a space against the economic, social and cultural inequalities, interferences of sovereignty from north to south, and for the care of the natural resources. Finally a dialogue exist between law and behaviour: laws are agreements of moral commitment, product of a collective consent. Law should be obligatory, but it should not be imposed by force. Rather than this, it is reflected in behaviour. ººº


Defining and protecting money as a global public good (French)
Marie MARTIN-PECHEUX
November 18, 2002
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°°° In complement of the proposition 17 page 33 of the document "refunding governance to answer the challenge of the 21st century", we propose that money is defined and protected as a global public good. As water, air, sun, nature... are indispensable to all and constitute global public goods, money is the fluid that permits to exchange salaries against goods in the human community. However this fluid lacks dramatically in some regions and inside every society. The use of a variable value money, fluctuating to the will of the speculation in the bourse or following the power of a country, gives an absolutely pathological state to the local and global economies. Money is produced therefore more and more by private banks and monetary organisms. Our proposition: a kind of money defined and protected as a global public good, created and managed solely by the central banks according to a calculation of the capacity of work of the individuals, with a value determined on a valid basis for all, and whose states would lend it without interests to those useful projects or without a negative impact. Author of this message is adding below a formula for these income.°°°


Re: Re : Global intercultural dialogue (3) (English) [response to this message]
Bonnie MANDELL-RICE
November 19, 2002
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ºººI do not think we can avoid or exclude religion or spirituality. For me, the whole peace movement is a spiritual statement. I think that we must be inclusive - with rules. We must ask not "am I right?" or "is my way right?" but: "what is it we are working to achieve?" "are we getting the results we want and intend?" If not, then we need to look for another way. We must ask ourselves these questions even about our religious beliefs - are our beliefs leading us to peace within ourselves and our world? are they leading us to be the Christ, the Buddha, a Mohammed? Or are they leading us further into separation and hate? If the latter, are we willing to reexamine our beliefs, our rules We must ask ourselves these questions about our national beliefs. I love so much about the U.S. - our constitution, our declaration of independence, our freedom, our ingenuity. There are things that need improvement - if not the words, but their interpretation and implementation ººº


Re: Re: Global intercultural dialogue (3) (French) [response to this message]
Marie-Christine BERNARD
November 19, 2002
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ºººIn order to face the innumerable obstacles that is reserved to the sensitive beings (human as animals), just by being in this world, it is necessary to train their mind to clear themselves of the ascendancy of the negative emotions and the harmful acts. This is what the Buddhist tradition recommends, referring to our own potential of awakening. I've been long time resisting the idea that it exist "one" being who have achieved the non duality (subject / object) and the absolute knowledge of the mechanisms of apparition of phenomena, it is very disturbing, especially when we have hardly gone out of the Judeo-Christian beliefs. I think with you that this forum could admit this simple and not necessarily religious idea, of a dimension of wisdom and compassion, hardly emerged in the culture of men of 3rd millennium.ººº


Re : Mechanisms to implement some values and principles (French) [response to this message]
Marie-Christine BERNARD
November 19, 2002
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ºººWhy to begin with another global governance tool, as it exists already one (cf. www.tgde.org). The forthcoming creation of thousands of global sites where each citizen of the world will be able to exercise their right to express themselves, to vote, to choose... can submerge us at a very short term in an unmanageable ocean. An unified tool with an integrated working, it appear suddenly as the major utopia of the 21st century! ººº


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