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Late messages of topic 2
Tuesday, December 31, 2002 12:57 AM
Don't forget the humanity of children! (French)
Marie MARTIN-PECHEUX
December 25, 2002
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ººº I don't believe that were able, to make evolve the present liberalism.
It is probably a whole question of maturity of the humanity... Every Human
participant, either like an executioner, either like a victim, either like a
blind consumer, maintains this state of fact and this system. Our role,
probably, is to put the bases of a governance that will allow the transition
of an egoist and murderer system in a system of solidarity, otherwise, it is
necessary to recognize, as well as it had been done previously for the women
and for the so-called people of colour, the political maturity for the
children. It is enough by observing the parliaments of the children, to see
their humanity, their seriousness, bigger than those of the adults. However,
if we want that our world goes better, the improvement of the conditions of
the childhood is * the * absolute priority. Technically, it would be
therefore desirable that the possibility exists for the children and the
young persons to present propositions of resolution of problems as well as
adults do. ººº
The territorial implantation of the WP must be the object of a very rich debate considering the relative cultural sensibilities concerning the conflicts between state and between ethnic groups (French)
Badouin SCHOMBE
December 25, 2002
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°°° The world parliament is a good initiative but whose debate should be
re-centred on its applicability. I have tried to open this debate to
multiple levels but let me to say that in Africa, we first try to know what
can bring such a debate in material terms. We need more research and take
into account every people's different realities. That is why, it would be
desirable to conduct stage by stage the setting up of the WP, while being
supported in Civil society that is close to the reality and for to avoid
negative reactions. It would not be convenient either to think about to
integrate in the United Nations immediately. UN regroup the governments
within a general assembly of which we make part, so let's begin with giving
to the civil society its general assembly that can be this WP. The problem
of the borders arises in Africa and its repercussions on the ethnic
conflicts in and outside of the territories inherited of colonial times. °°°
Re: Re: Popular consultation (French) (230)
Andre FRISAYE
December 25, 2002
Dear Marie-Christine,
I quite agree with you!!!
Excellent evening!!!
Global governance, communities of ideas and elementary needs (French)
Jean-Marc FLAMENT
December 27, 2002
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ººº My feeling joins that of Gerda Ghista about the obstacles put by the
United States to the ratification of all treaties that could have entailed a
clean improvement of the destiny of the planet and populations. In answer to
Frank Houck, the only explanation, otherwise inexcusable, to the hunger of
the world it is that there is not a profit in feeding 800 millions of people
having malnutrition and without means to pay. The same applies to the ills
and the homeless. The logic of profit of the capitalist and neo-liberal
system attracts the complicity of its victims (our own complicity of
everybody) while maintaining us in a situation of economic dependence. A
solution could be to create another currency (the robin) obtained only while
redistributing wealth to the most resourceless and making the capacity of
spending, dependent of both currencies: money and the robins. If both become
necessary to buy a product or a service, there will be a profit then to help
the most resourceless and since everyone is first of all thinking in their
own interest, the plagues of our society will disappear very quickly.
Previous and complementary measures to it would be: to create an
International Foundation regrouping all NGO, that distributes some robins to
all people who give the time, the material or money to people who needs and
asks for it, and to the NGO. This distribution of robins will create an
immense market of consumption in order to sell them. The whole message and
some links within, shows this proposal in more detail. This system gives
worth to the present victims of neo-liberalism since it becomes profitable
to allow them to leave their statute of victims. For the first time in the
history of the capitalism, the research of the personal interest will serve
the interests of the weakest. ººº
A communication hierarchy, not a power hierarchy (English)
Bob DICK
December 27, 2002
I have been looking back over the emails so far posted. Nobody, To my
knowledge, nobody has yet mentioned the work of Stafford Beer in Chile,
while Allende was briefly president.
I am surprised at this omission. In that work Beer developed a communication
hierarchy by which the different organisations might be coordinated. Except
in times of crisis it was not a power hierarchy.
It seems to me that there are lessons here for a world parliament.
Bob Dick
2nd phase comment (English)
Duncan GRAHAM
December 27, 2002
It has been worthwhile reading the various contributions on this discussion
though many I don't think are relevant. No matter- that is what dialogue is
all about. E.g. the World Constitution or Earth Federation I have followed
for years but do not see how nation states would or should ratify a
constitution that they had no part in formulating. Also some items show a
less that desirable support for a viable planetary authority. In other words
we are a global village but no self-government for the global village.
Duncan Graham, Global Citizens Assoc. Vancouver
Why don't advance in relation with the expanded efforts (French)
Pierre CARO
December 28, 2002
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ººº How a world Parliament can consider itself just by the close
conversations of a few hundreds of specialists and thinkers. Interventions
become every time longer, as if it was needed, for somebody, to explain
absolutely in order to not being criticized. I also read numerous
confrontations. All we know that works are undertaken in the world for the
peace, the sustainable development, the fair economy., why are not going to
advance following the expanded efforts. What is pleasing is that all
participants agree, even are enthusiasts for to do something. Why, and this
is just a question, the World Parliament would be able to solve our
difficulties to being managed - because it is in some way in this where we
lack for equilibrating our immaturity to innovate - when numerous other
constructions failed. Why de we have the need to develop some apologies to
our lacks. Otherwise, the answer to a reform of the UNO is contained in how
to find the real and motivated responsible persons, driven by a humanitarian
ethics to change toward a really better world for all. ººº
Some comments on basic income, cultural and linguistic diversity (Spanish)
Joan INGLADA
December 28, 2002
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ººº Here you are some comments: I don't know because we don't speak directly
about Basic Income, when claiming for * the guarantee of security for plants
and animals * the same thing will be wanted for people. - The cultural
diversity or diversity of identities is the whole humanity's patrimony and
when a part of it is lost, it impoverishes all of us. Thus, better than give
rights to their "users", to maintain alive the diversity should be an
obligation of all. Obviously, there are some traditions that we should
eradicate like, among other, the ablation, the bullfights, and the culture
of the violence in a large sense - What does it mean * the indigenous
linguistic expression? * are not indigenous all the languages? to lose a
language and their cultural context is the same as burning an unique
consultation book of the natural world. ººº
Re: Que debemos evitar (English) (242)
John BUNZL
December 29, 2002
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ººº I very much agree with Algove's posting. Post-Darwinians understand that
evolution has direction and is evolving towards ever-larger scales of
cooperative governance; from single-cells up to supra-national states (EU)
and the next great cooperative scale of governance will be global. Some
describe these levels of cooperative governance as 'holons'. Once a new
level of cooperative governance (or holon) is created, it is characterised
by healthy competition. But technological developments produce the
conditions whereby actors can gradually find ways around that level of
governance, competition become destructive. Today's mobility of global
capital forces all nations into destructive competition with one another to
attract capital and jobs; Competition has thus become globally destructive.
SP is capable of resolving this dilemma; it offers an appropriate process
for making the transition from destructive competition to global
cooperation. ººº
Ré: La direction responsable pour le PM et la gouvernance globale (245)
Roger KOTILA
December 30, 2002
Hi Rob -
I liked the way you stated this, Rob, and agree with you wholeheartedly. And
even though I am not enthusiastic about the UN Charter, I am impressed with
the type of statements that have been made over the years when the General
Assembly has chosen to address broad areas of concern. To me, most of their
general statements of principle have seemed to include much wisdom on behalf
of the world public interest despite the fact that UN delegates represent
nations, not the common good.
If I'm right on this, it bodes well for a World Parliament to be able to
make wise decisions to benefit "we, the people."
Happy New Year
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