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Coffee break ending the 1st phase
Germà PELAYO
Tuesday, 6 May 2003 21:42:43 +0200
We are beginning the coffee break which ends the 1st phase, during this week, and from now, all messages will be done in machine translation only and we should keep more in mind them writing rules to avoid incomprehensible translations. We will send soon the agenda for the summer. No thematic group has been constituted up to now but we are listing you the recent proposals of some participants. On the other hand the team of facilitation will follow its work of searching funds and invitations to new participants from all over the world. You can help to us in this if you want. Finally thank you very much to all of you, for all the support that we have been receiving in all your public and private answers.
Dear friends,
This note is to remind you that we are beginning the coffee break of the end of the 1st phase, and that all the messages received from May 1st that are going to be published now, will only be it in automatic translation without revision. This means also that none of us is paid anymore, until that we get new funds for the project that we are presenting now.
We will send to you soon an introductory document and agenda for the summer, meanwhile we are going to publish all the messages that you continue to send to us, concerning various topics, during this coffee break.
New thematic and idiomatic lists
Up to now no group has been constituted to organize thematic lists, or it have not communicate it to us. We are listing here the proposals that some individuals have been sending in order to constitute groups:
- John Ewbank marjewb@comcast.net: ratifiability
- Friedrich G. Haller haller@quadem.org: proposal of qualitative democracy
(the deliberative systems in general will also be probably a topic of discussion of the general list agenda during the 2nd phase, in which all comments and thinking concerning these themes will be welcomed and even encouraged)
- Stan Price priceres@autogear.com and Lei Liang flowergrain@etang.com are negotiating to prepare a group about art
- Even if there is not a formal proposal about it, a specific list for a logo could be open, or to include such topic in the art list or in another that tried in general the image of WP21 process (titles and words to be used, etc.)
- Pierre Caro pierrecaro@aol.com: his message doesn't call directly to constitute a group, but he is asking for organizing a structure among active retirees at a global scale. Why not, to start with, a list of discussion, where they can be organized, to collect funds for activities of * formation for the life of retirees *, etc.?
- Marielle Jansen sociocracy@aol.com had proposed to create a group about learning from natural organization, while Marie-Christine Bernard mc2b@wanadoo.fr is talking in her last message about * biopolitics *. Other people have manifested an interest in all this. I believe that a workgroup can be constituted, which will be able to deep more in the topic 3 of our agenda * internal and external structures of the world parliament *, beginning with a * morphological * approach but without forgetting contents and reality.
- Finally Marie Martin-Pecheux citerre@wanadoo.fr had proposed to us previously an extensive list of possible workgroups, and other persons, like Mauro Soares, maurosoares.p@bol.com.br gave their opinion in detail. Some of these topics can be developed in working groups. See this list in "une structure des equipes de travail" of 5.4.03 468
You are still on time of responding to these people in order to form these groups, and also of proposing other different workgroups. Later it will be interesting also to create another thematic groups on other important topics as basic needs: food, health, economy. The idiomatic groups will be created between May and June along with the new round of invitations.
The list declaration is * our * list where to deal with the war of Iraq and peace in general
Finally, it was proposed that the list declaration was considered as our thematic list for the topic of peace. It can provisionally be as this, although there has been only one person that have agreed with this and nobody who have rejected. In this list not all participants comes from wp21 list but we believe that that is not important.
We need to remember that when beginning the new agenda, we will be again stricter with our topic of discussion, so the messages of the war of Iraq will be more restricted or even not published although they will continue to appear now in the coffee break time. For that reason we insist on inviting all the interested people, and especially those that have maintained more open this debate, as Jean-Marc Flament, Frank Houck and others, to move the debate towards this list from now on, (although, as above said, their yet sent messages on the war of 1 week)
Information and subscriptions in http://www.alliance21.org/forums/info/declaration or to the team or directly to Marina Urquidi marina@alliance21.org that is managing that list. The objective of the list is to do a declaration for peace, although there has not been established a deadline for it given the depth of the debate and the imperious need of dialogue and understanding among different positions.
The rules of redaction are more than ever important with the automatic translation
Please remember to apply the rules of writing of the forum. These rules are indispensable for an appropriate automatic translation, if you don't apply them, your messages will be almost incomprehensible in the other languages and they will contribute less to communication than to incomprehension and noise. The automatic translation with a previous bad redaction, can also give place to misunderstandings (for example kind words that become more aggressive ones when translated) so at least it is necessary to pay attention to these rules that are the result of years of collective experience in discussion lists.
You can consult these rules in the url that appears always at the head of the messages and that we are reproducing here: Forum Working Rules Some indispensable things for a minimal comprehensible automatic translation:
- clear writing without idiomatic turns, complicated words or too colloquial expressions.
- short sentences
- paragraphs not too long
- Orthographical correction (for example put always capital letters, as in the word * I *, otherwise the software don't understand it and without the subject, sentences become senseless)
- Not to send whole texts, phrases or worlds in uppercase (the software doesn't recognize them and doesn't translate them)
- To use the sign * instead of quotation marks: these are different for each language, so when translated they become interrogation signs changing normal sentences into questions so creating a total confusion.
- The web software only accepts, at the moment, messages in text only, not in html (so please don't send bold or underlined texts, colors, pictures...)
On the other hand you can send from now copied texts: if they are in format text they will to appear in the message, if they are html we will send them to the website as we cannot dedicate time to formatting messages.
If you send inserted texts from other messages, eliminate the signs * > * and place instead the name of the person or their initials at the beginning of each inserted text.
Thank you very much for all your support and participation
Finally, we are grateful for your many supporting positive messages received, on the list and in private. The continuation of this list is, as you know, the first step for a much more ambitious project that we have being introducing, in which we would like to count on you for sharing decisions, responsibilities and illusions.
Kind regards to all of you,
Germà Pelayo
WP21 team
WP21 Alliance Forum on a World Parliament for the 21st Century
E-mail : world-parl@forums.alliance21.org
Fax 1 717 264 5036
Information, inscriptions, désinscriptions: germa@alliance21.org
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