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Re: Re: Crear una coalición amplia o cambiar la clase política?
Fernando IGLESIAS
Friday, 23 May 2003 00:38:44 +0200
Dear Germà: if this is what my messages suggested I'm afraid to have expressed my opinions in a very confusing way.
I don't absolutely think that people do not know what they want but I do. Far from it I think that every political activity in the world must be reduced to a WP or to my own points of view. Beside I have never ever used the term "masses", which I hate because it is (perhaps) appropriate for Physics but never ever for Politic. At the same time, I hope I will be allowed to express my own ideas.
What I really say is this:
1- The entire situation is quit simple: we agree in the need of building democratic world institutions where the different human points of view can be concretely expressed and the global issues can be democratically discussed and solved (if possible). I guess this is an ambitious and difficult-enough goal to wasting time and efforts in other interesting aspect of political action and human life.
2-As we are in a group that discusses on WP we should centre our efforts in discussing "How to create it". This is not based in the attempt of suppressing any other political issue, but rather in a fact which is evident for me: all the words expended in discussing the political measures that that WP could take after being created are secondary, utopian and can only cause division in the common task that has joined us: helping world citizens to create world democratic institutions (if they want it, of course) through a participatory pacific open process. Communists, anarchists, ecologists, volleyball players and ocean surfers can discuss their own topics in the many different WEB pages that exist for doing it, as Internet is perhaps the widest universe that could exist, but -as these topics are not pertinent for the creation of a WP- they escape to the objectives of our list.
3- The best example of what I say it has been the discussion of war in Iraq. What has it worth for if not a bitter taste? There are hundred of sites where the topic could have been discussed as we do. What I expected as a participant in a list on WP were reflections on the war beyond the pro-American or anti-American conceptions of the members (which could only lead us to unfruitful divisions). What I expected was some reflection on the lessons given by the war on the lack of democratic institutions and the possible issues (as "abolition of mass-destructive weapons") that a WP must hold. This is what I (right or wrong in my proposals) tried to do by my two interventions on the matter. Perhaps they were not smart and intelligent, but I hoped that were capable of stimulating better other contributions on the debate on WP and not the boring repetition of the tons of pro-American and anti-American positions on the war that we instead had.
4- My insistence in the objective of creating WD institutions is not based on the underestimation of the rest of human beings. On the contrary, only an open debate on the many possible way for this creation can avoid the mistake made by European Union's founders, which ever have had a non-participatory approach to the building of over-national institutions. What I say is: what to do with world democratic institutions after their creation is not our business but rather the opening of a global debate on the topic. In my opinion, the attempts of inventing imaginative forms of democracy at the global level (forms that have never been experienced at the national one), and the pretension of discussing concrete measures of government (as if we were elected representatives) are elitist and antidemocratic and discriminate other world citizens because of the simple fact of not being part of our list.
In two words: Are we the simple promoters of an idea that can be accepted or rejected by world citizens or their elected world deputies? I simply consider obvious the answer to this question and try to act according to it. Besides I can not feel any track of underestimation or messianism in this attitude.
In any case, I know perfectly that trying to be clear and emphatic sometimes my tone is polemic and too much incisive. This is just my stile Excuse me all if I hurt some personal sensitivity (what I am unfortunately used to do);-)). Nothing personal, but just my strong desire of contributing to a more concrete, focussed and operative debate.
My best wishes for all
Fernando
WP21 Alliance Forum on a World Parliament for the 21st Century
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